{"id":9091,"date":"2011-01-10T21:46:20","date_gmt":"2011-01-10T21:46:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/gain-noise-stack\/"},"modified":"2025-06-08T22:47:39","modified_gmt":"2025-06-08T20:47:39","slug":"gain-noise-stack","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/gain-noise-stack\/","title":{"rendered":"Gain, Noise &#038; Stack"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Bonjour,<br \/>\n<em>Hello,<\/em><\/p>\n<p>En observation solaire Ha, d\u00e9j\u00e0 pour des captures de protub\u00e9rances \u00e0 moyenne r\u00e9solution, les temps de pose s\u2019allongent et la turbulence devient difficile \u00e0 figer.<br \/>\n<em>In solar Ha observation, already for the imaging of protuberances at medium resolution, the exposure time increases and the turbulence becomes difficult to freeze.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Solution: augmenter le gain \u00e0 la capture, au prix d\u2019une augmentation du bruit.<br \/>\n<em>Solution: increase the gain at the time of capturing data, at the cost of increasing noise.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Voici le r\u00e9sultat d\u2019essais d\u2019imagerie de protub\u00e9rances sous Avistack2, pour 5 captures de 60s.<br \/>\n<em>Here, some results of protuberance imaging under Avistack2, for 5 captures of 60s.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Le gain a \u00e9t\u00e9 pouss\u00e9 progressivement, permettant de r\u00e9duire le temps d\u2019exposition. Il est \u00e0 noter que des temps d\u2019exposition longs ne permettent pas d\u2019utiliser la cadence nominale de la cam\u00e9ra: 30i\/s.<br \/>\n<em>The gain has been pushed up step by step, allowing an exposure time reduction. Note that longer exposure times don\u2019t allow exploiting the nominal frame rate of the camera: 30fps.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Avi\t\tCap100001\tCap100003\tCap100005\tCap100007\tCap100009<br \/>\nGain\t\t180(Min)\t400\t\t600\t\t800\t\t1023(Max)<br \/>\nExposure [s]\t0.100\t\t0.067\t\t0.026\t\t0.014\t\t0.006<br \/>\nExp Qty\t434\t\t594\t\t1793\t\t1798\t\t1800<\/p>\n<p>Une trame brute. Le bruit augmente de capture en capture:<br \/>\n<em>One raw frame. Noise increases from sequence to sequence:<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-01_Cap10000x-xxxx_c_pano13579100pct.jpg\" data-lbwps-width=\"1258\" data-lbwps-height=\"550\" data-lbwps-srcsmall=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-01_Cap10000x-xxxx_c_pano13579100pct-300x131.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-01_Cap10000x-xxxx_c_pano13579100pct-300x131.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"131\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Addition de 64 trames par point d\u2019alignement. Avistack2 g\u00e8re sans probl\u00e8me 20 \u00e0 30 points d\u2019alignements sur la protub\u00e9rance, quelque soit le niveau de bruit:<br \/>\n<em>Stack of 64 frames per align point. Avistack2 manages with no problem at all 20 to 30 align points on the protuberance, what ever the noise level:<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-02_Cap10000xStack06416_c_Pano13579100pct.jpg\" data-lbwps-width=\"1258\" data-lbwps-height=\"500\" data-lbwps-srcsmall=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-02_Cap10000xStack06416_c_Pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-02_Cap10000xStack06416_c_Pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"119\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Un traitement par ondelette fait ressortir les d\u00e9tails. Les m\u00eames valeurs ondelettes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 appliqu\u00e9es sur chaque image; le bruit ressurgit&#8230;<br \/>\n<em>A post processing by wavelet help to push out the details. The same wavelet parameters are applied on each picture; noise re-emerge\u2026<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-03_Cap10000xStack064_pp_c_pano13579100pct.jpg\" data-lbwps-width=\"1258\" data-lbwps-height=\"500\" data-lbwps-srcsmall=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-03_Cap10000xStack064_pp_c_pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-03_Cap10000xStack064_pp_c_pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"119\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Le bruit peut cependant se g\u00e9rer par des softwares sp\u00e9cifiques, ici Neat Image avec des param\u00e8tres auto-calibr\u00e9s:<br \/>\n<em>Noise can however be managed by specialized software, here Neat Image with auto-calibrated parameters:<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-04_Cap10000xStack064_pp_Denois_c_Pano13579100pct.jpg\" data-lbwps-width=\"1258\" data-lbwps-height=\"500\" data-lbwps-srcsmall=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-04_Cap10000xStack064_pp_Denois_c_Pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/13_20110110-04_Cap10000xStack064_pp_Denois_c_Pano13579100pct-300x119.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"119\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Donn\u00e9es d\u2019observation:<br \/>\n<em>Observation\u2019s data:<\/em><br \/>\n2010-Apr10<br \/>\nTakahashi\/FS-60C<br \/>\nPowermate\t2.4x<br \/>\nF [mm]\t355 x2.4<br \/>\nD [mm]\t60<br \/>\nCoronado SM60<br \/>\nTIS\/DMK31AF03<br \/>\nExp Qty:\tTarget: 1800 (60s x 30fps)<\/p>\n<p>Alexandre<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"kk-star-ratings kksr-auto kksr-align-left kksr-valign-bottom\"\n    data-payload='{&quot;align&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;9091&quot;,&quot;slug&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;valign&quot;:&quot;bottom&quot;,&quot;ignore&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;reference&quot;:&quot;auto&quot;,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;count&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;legendonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;readonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;score&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;starsonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;best&quot;:&quot;10&quot;,&quot;gap&quot;:&quot;5&quot;,&quot;greet&quot;:&quot;Veuillez voter&quot;,&quot;legend&quot;:&quot;0\\\/10 - (0 vote)&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;18&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Gain, Noise \\u0026amp; 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In solar Ha observation, already for the imaging of protuberances at medium resolution, the exposure time increases and the turbulence becomes difficult to freeze. Solution: augmenter le gain [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":16,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9091","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-astrobricolage"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9091","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/16"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9091"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9091\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12591,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9091\/revisions\/12591"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9091"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9091"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/groupeastronomiespa.be\/astrogas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9091"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}